可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#236275講者:Speaker: Frederic LalouxI’m trying to think ahead. The old power model, used the setting up as a dichotomy where we can play nice and if it’s not working, then... 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-10-31 Conversation with Frederic Laloux