可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#223392講者:Speaker: Clément MabiNo, not enough to give some independence and some autonomies to the projects. How does it work here? You have some foundations? 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-10-04 Conversation with Clément Mabi