可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#199931講者:Speaker: Audrey TangYeah, I like to compare it to this, the very beginning of the idea of design thinking. There’s been policy design, interactive design, whatever design, for quite a while. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-07-23 Conversation with Hannes Hofer