可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#199865講者:Speaker: Hannes HoferBecause in the end, it’s the people who want to create the world that they’re part of the world living. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-07-23 Conversation with Hannes Hofer