可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#162217講者:Speaker: Tom AtleeThere’s only a couple of references to the Tao Te Ching in there, but the key one is that the leader leads well when the people say they did it themselves, and the idea of action and no action. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-03-23 Conversation with Tom Atlee and Miki Kashtan