可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#162008講者:Speaker: Miki KashtanThis move, I call it the noncontroversial essence. I don’t have the techy thing like you do, so I’m just going to paint it in your imagination. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-03-23 Conversation with Tom Atlee and Miki Kashtan