可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#161882講者:Speaker: Miki KashtanIf you don’t put some version of autonomy right at the center, nothing happens. It’s really interesting that what I’m seeing that you do is you take values that would be familiar to people. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-03-23 Conversation with Tom Atlee and Miki Kashtan