可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#161796講者:Speaker: Tom AtleeI’m just trying to find the place to tread water, not to stand, a place to dance from. Miki, you’re bubbling with something. Go for it. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-03-23 Conversation with Tom Atlee and Miki Kashtan