可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#161653講者:Speaker: Miki KashtanIt can absorb and eject things. If something absorbs and stays there, then it starts participating in the process of shaping, like a recursive shaping. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-03-23 Conversation with Tom Atlee and Miki Kashtan