可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#161608講者:Speaker: Tom AtleeYeah, the simplicity on the other side of complexity, instead of the simplicity on this side of complexity. [laughs] 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-03-23 Conversation with Tom Atlee and Miki Kashtan