At the same time, the model, how to treat data of People’s Republic of China, and all the successful companies from China, like TikTok for example, is popular in Europe. There is Weibo and there’s Alibaba and all these shiny examples.
What makes you optimistic that people not one day accept all the forms of control from the government because they like so much all the comfortable services they can use provided by these companies, which accept the censorship and all the repression?
That makes you optimistic that it’s the more clever form of governance based on decentralized data?
Another nine minutes. Maybe shortly, you already mentioned that you’re not too familiar with this experiment in the ‘70s.
Have you heard of it?
Do you see any meaning to discuss that? Do you see any parallel? It was a completely different society, was a society run by a socialist government, but what interested us a lot was this utopia of having a constant flow of information. We had a very decentralized…You had all the telex machines at all the manufactories.
Then the idea was to use all the information coming in as a constant feedback…
In a way. That made us curious if you see any parallel there.
Can you explain, again, you said there is a certain parallel between you’re dealing with the airboxes here and the telex machines, which were distributed to the manufactories taking data in real time. Real time was a bit “back then.”
Yeah, you are right. Maybe in a broader sense, what role does…you already talked about that, but let’s sum it up again. Why is information and the constant flow of information and the accessibility of information so crucial for a participatory democratic society?
How much have you kept your hacker way of life and your hacker way of thinking in your everyday life as a part of the government today, in being a minister today?
Also what surprised me so much is there is no police on them. I couldn’t almost even see any police. What is the secret behind that? Why is them not necessary, obviously?
Is this also valid for the digital public sphere? Let’s wait for the beep, beep, beep we have in one moment.
We done. Good.
People don’t abuse it? This power?
It could also mean if there’s a very strict community like not accepting any positive freedom of people.
Beautiful. We need to come to an end, last question. What is your dream? If you could wish for the future you would love to see, what would be there, what do you see? What would digital democracy be like? If you could dream.
They all will take part, you mean?
That was a beautiful way of ending the conversation, I think. Let’s take a room tone for 20 seconds. Everybody quiet, please.
Then last thing, could you stand up, walk away this way and come back and sit down again, and walk away again.
Yeah. You can actually take a coffee…
Could you walk in again and sit down again and then walk out without talking?
All right. Thank you so much.
We appreciate it.
