Amy Tong

但願如此。但願如此。不過我會說是三十年。

四十年！我的天。如果我真的做了四十年，那我的皮膚保養一定很有一套。（笑）

這倒是真的。這個說法我可以接受。（笑）

你提到速度。許多人把這場 AI 競逐——無論科技業還是政策制定者——視為一場衝向同一條終點線的比賽，而不是一項發揮人類智慧力量的使命。你怎麼看？

你能再多說一點嗎？因為談到「罕見共識」——相較之下，我們常聽人說要尋找「共同立場」（common ground），或採取截然不同的做法。我們似乎困在一個極化的世界裡：同意，就屬於一個陣營；不同意，就屬於另一個陣營。你剛才提到，也許我們能以另一種方式看待彼此不同的意見。

臺灣人口大約是 2,300 萬。而美國大得多，你知道，極化非常、非常嚴重，而且在很多方面更加去中心化。你怎麼看這件事能不能規模化？特別是回到 AI 這個例子，對吧？現在人們感覺是，嘿，這些事情正發生在我們身上——不管是政策層面，還是科技公司推出 AI 的速度。像這樣的做法，在這裡會有幫助嗎？

我們現在該如何回應這個當下？因為 AI 真的是非常核心的議題。對於我們這些天天都在面對、也活在這項挑戰裡的人，你會建議我們怎麼做？

並且為我們這樣的每位居民留出練習公民肌力的空間。而這正是這段對話開始的地方：目標不一定是讓人依目前的理解去同意或不同意，而是能夠真正聽見彼此，並從罕見共識裡找到共同立場。

I would hope so. I would hope so. But I would say three decades.

Four decades! Oh my goodness. I would have really good skincare if I’m four decades into this. [laughs]

That is true. That I will go with. [laughs]

You mentioned speed. How do you feel about the fact that many people are looking at this AI competition — you know, whether it’s from the tech industry or policymakers — as a single race going for a single finish line, rather than a mission to achieve, you know, the power of human intelligence?

Can you elaborate a little bit more? Because, you know, on uncommon ground, right — versus, you heard about people needing common ground, or like a completely different approach to doing things. And it seems we’re stuck in this polarized world of: you agree, you are in one camp; you disagree, you are in a completely different camp. You just talked about maybe there’s a different way of treating people’s different opinions.

Taiwan has roughly a population of 23 million people. So, the United States — it’s far larger, you know, deeply, deeply polarized, and in many cases a lot more decentralized. How do you see whether this is something that can be scaled, and specifically when you come back to AI as an example, right? Right now people are feeling like, hey, things are happening to us — you know, whether it’s policy level, or the speed of the tech companies rolling out AI. Like, is that something that can be helpful here?

How do we meet the moment now, because this AI is really, really a central topic? What would you suggest that those of us who are dealing and living this on a daily basis do to address this particular challenge?

And allow the space for every resident like ourselves to practice our civic muscle. And this is where the conversation began: the goal here is not necessarily for people to agree or disagree based on their current understanding, but the ability to actually hear each other, and find that common ground from the uncommon ground.