When I served as a minister in Taiwan, I said I never worked for the government; I worked with the government. I did not just work for the people; I worked with the people. Across roughly 100 collaborative debates, I sought a position with equal gravity from the social movement on one side and government on the other. If government was too strong, I moved closer to civil society. If civil society was too strong — Taiwan has not only big tech but also the big mob — I moved closer to public servants with cooler heads. For each case, we chose a Lagrange point orbiting neither side, so we could transit between them and accelerate past the fatal attractor of populism.