Speaking of our guest Audrey Tang, many people may still picture mask maps and SMS contact tracing — pandemic tech. But Audrey is now a researcher at the Oxford Institute for Ethics in AI, running a programme called Civic AI — in Mandarin, 仁工智慧, a play on “artificial intelligence” with the character for care. That framework was formally launched at Oxford only this March; the book may not appear for another year or two. So this episode may well be Audrey's first in-depth conversation about this work-in-progress with a Mandarin-speaking audience. We're honoured to have her — welcome.