And we need like an approach where the government reaches out to people or where we even have a like position like yours – where like a connection is being made to like civil society.
We would like to have someone like you or, better, you to speak there in Switzerland opening up civic tech conference or so. And then we can do panels, and offer talks, and have a discussion if you can also… if Taiwan can also help here?
OK! So perhaps we can do it around there – so you need to travel less.
OK, but I think we could also do it just then. OK, yeah. I will talk with…
That would be really great. I think you could really help to show to the Swiss government…
That could also be a way.
Yeah, but we think it is by force. [laughs] In your case, we can be more flexible.
Yeah, that is true, that is true – especially if you travel around like just for fun.
In your case, it has also like impacts. That can be distinguished a little bit.
A good argument for you to be physically there is that you could also talk with government officials like, say, from the Federal Chancellery and show them ways. Because they are still in a…
That would be absolutely great.
Absolutely great! I think that is great! Can we have a picture together…?
