This one?
Which one?
Oh, OK. Just a second. OK, right. "Open data is necessary, but not sufficient."
Yeah, it satisfied one pillar of an a working open government, transparency.
That’s fine.
It’s more of culture and education.
That’s right. I think we need about five generations to get there.
Then there’s at least a foundation on which the other side is built.
That’s exactly right.
Yeah, I agree.
Because it removes artificial scarcity.
On top of it, it removes non-artificial scarcity, because it’s an enabler of many other sectors.
It’s a non-discriminating marketplace.
The only thing new is the portable GPS device.
It’s about we stop playing zero-sum games with a competing mindset.
That’s right.
Yeah, plus you get scalable surveillance for free.
Sure, it’s network effect taken to extreme on any particular field.
Yeah, it’s a shift in the human condition.
It’s like intellectual "property."
Yes. What would you call it?
Basically, instead of saying "process as commons", do we say "common processes"...
What about "open processes?"
It doesn’t dilute. It’s open, including API and source code.
We do that here too. (開源 instead of 開放原始碼)
You’re probably already in touch with the Open Culture Foundation.
You’ll want to contact Whisky Chang, of course.
You probably want to contact him.
Opendata.tw. Here is his contact.
That’s our public system architect, designer and everything.
This Saturday? 10 till 5:00.
Who’s coming?
Because we have some informal connections to young public servants who focus very much on this thing.
Our youth councilors, too. They may be interested.
We just wasn’t sure who else is coming.
No problem.
Sure. Let me just say a final thing.
I don’t see myself as a government person. [laughs]
Governance, even. What I’m trying to say here is that this is what everybody agrees, that we’ll get here.
Many people base their argument on solving inequality, which is I think the main motivation for your speech.
In Taiwan, it’s maybe not the best angle.
Because people here are...
Innovation. Here that word sometimes implies something competitive. It’s part of our education curriculum. We’re fixing that.
However, for the current generation... [laughs] That’s the old argument between Eric Raymond and Richard Stallman.
ESR wanted to argue that open source makes better innovation. Period. But the FSF doesn’t like this argument because they want to focus on equality of access and software freedom.
What I’m saying is that, historically in Taiwan and around East Asia, the innovation part...
Is the much stronger one.
Globally of course. Especially In Europe.
Definitely. It was so good to meet you.
Thank you. [laughs]
